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someonesomewhere
05-29-2007, 09:03 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070528/ap_on_bi_ge/maverick_vintner

Two Buck Chuck still making waves
By Michelle Locke, Associated Press Writer
Mon May 28, 5:14 PM ET

NAPA, Calif. - Round and round they go, hundreds of bottles of Two Buck Chuck rattling and clinking their way toward a big machine that deftly fills, corks and seals each one in a rhythmic dance of metal and glass.

It's been five years since the first of these amazingly cheap chardonnays and cut-price cabernets started rolling off the line, released by maverick vintner Fred Franzia under the formal label of Charles Shaw wines.

Three hundred million bottles later, Two Buck Chuck is still selling, and Franzia is still preaching his message of wine for the masses.

"We're not out to gouge people," says Franzia. "What I would like to see is every consumer be able to afford to have wine on the table every day and not feel insecure about it."

Last year, Two Buck Chuck -- available only in the Trader Joe's grocery chain and priced at $1.99 in California, hence its nickname -- accounted for at least 8 percent of California wine sold in-state, said Jon Fredrikson, who tracks wine shipments through his Woodland-based company, Fredrikson, Gomberg & Associates. National market share figures are not available. A bottle can range as high as $3.49 elsewhere.

The result -- along with the cute "critter" labels and more user-friendly packaging like boxes and screw caps -- has helped knock a little of the starch out of the industry, said the wine industry consultant.

"I think it shook up the business in several ways, but certainly it created this interest among consumers to seek out wine values," said Fredrikson. "It certainly plants a seed in everyone's mind about what you get for the money."

Michael Mondavi, founder of Folio Fine Wine Partners, a Napa Valley-based importer and producer of high-end wines, takes the wine-glass-half-full approach to the Franzia effect.

"I think Two Buck Chuck has helped to make people aware that wine is not just for special occasions," says Mondavi, son of California wine country pioneer Robert Mondavi and a longtime friend of Franzia's. "I also believe that the vast majority of the people who originally start buying Two Buck Chuck, within a period of a year, trade up to better wines."

Franzia's roots in the winery business go deep. His grandfather, Giuseppe Franzia, immigrated from Italy to America in 1893, buying land in California in 1912 and beginning wine production three years later.

In 1933, the family started Franzia Brothers Winery, producing 100,000 gallons of table wine that year. After that winery was sold in 1973, Franzia, his brother Joseph and cousin John, started Bronco. (The family has no connection with the boxed wine sold today under the Franzia name.)

Franzia has crossed legal swords with the wine establishment more than once.

More than a decade ago he and the company were fined after he pleaded no-contest to charges of mislabeling some grapes as a more expensive variety. More recently, he was engaged in a pitched court battle with Napa vintners who argued that it was illegal for Bronco to sell wines which have "Napa" in their name but are made with grapes grown elsewhere.

Franzia lost that fight. But he soon had Napa buzzing again when he rereleased one of the disputed brands, Napa Creek -- this time made with Napa grapes -- and priced it at $3.99.

Making wine is expensive from the ground up, but Franzia owns a lot of ground -- 40,000 acres is the common estimate. He won't say. His Ceres-based Bronco Wine Co. also owns the crushing and bottling plants and has its own distribution company.

Until now, another company has supplied the bottles. But Franzia is talking about building a glass container plant near his Napa Valley bottling facility.

Still in the preliminary planning stages, Franzia says the plant would reduce greenhouse gases by limiting truck deliveries and through the use of environmentally friendly technology that would cut plant emissions.

He introduced plans for the glass plant this spring at an elegant lunch in Napa -- the whitest tablecloths, the finest food, all washed down with your choice of Two Buck Chuck.

Industry veteran Richard Peterson, who worked for decades at E. & J. Gallo and other major California wineries and is now consulting for Bronco, sees Franzia as the guy Napa vintners love to hate.

"I enjoy watching them spar," he says with a chuckle.

"We do business with many, many people in Napa," says Franzia. "A lot of my friends are in Napa. Part of the fun is just rubbing their nose in it a little bit and I'm sure vice versa."

That brings out some friendly barbs from Mondavi.

"He says no wine is worth over $10," says Mondavi, whose family's wines include the new I'M line that runs from $13 to $20. "I say, 'Yeah, you're right Fred, unless they're my wines because I've seen you buy 'em."

But Franzia maintains he is true to his principles, even when the wine in question is his. Bronco's Napa Ridge Napa Valley Reserve often costs more than $10 because it's made with more expensive grapes.

Does he drink it?

"Hell, no."

admin
05-30-2007, 06:07 AM
This wine is the PBR of the industry. Well, ok, maybe it's slightly better than MD 20/20.

HadEnough
05-31-2007, 09:06 PM
Three hundred million bottles later, Two Buck Chuck is still selling, and Franzia is still preaching his message of wine for the masses.

"We're not out to gouge people," says Franzia. "What I would like to see is every consumer be able to afford to have wine on the table every day and not feel insecure about it."

Definately. :roll: He's kinda like the 'Che Guerrra' of the wine industry.


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05054/461624.stm

For more than four years, Franzia has waged a battle with state regulators and Napa winemakers seeking to validate his sale of Napa-brand wines that don't contain Napa grapes. Rebuffed by California's highest court last year, Franzia last month filed a petition with the U.S. Supreme Court, asking it to rule that federal law supports his position and trumps state regulations. His attorneys expect the court to decide this spring whether or not to take the case.

Growers wonder if his wine would be as popular if his marketing ^^^^ techniques were well known.

I suppose if you like his wine, it doesn't matter where the grapes are grown?

Now where would you find the cheapest wine grapes? :D (This message approved by California Wines Growers!)

WickeDay
11-06-2007, 11:18 PM
It's Two Bucks! 88-)

someonesomewhere
11-08-2007, 07:11 AM
It's Two Bucks! 88-)
Well, not $2 everywhere. I think it runs $3 or $4 at TJs around these parts.

virtualrn
11-10-2007, 03:26 PM
Bleahhhh! Just thinking about 2buck gives me severe flank pain!

wdspeedbump
02-08-2008, 01:16 PM
i discovered this stuff when i was in oakland last year..i love it!
i'm not a snobby wine connossuer ..i drink what tastes good. and chuck hits the spot.
i brought home a couple bottles to share with dw. now we're trying to figure out how to get a few cases to houston ,tx. the nearest trader joe's is albuquerque :shock:
wrote 'em a nasty letter telling them that 4 million shoppers would like a store in houston. so far, nothing.
anybody on the west coast travelling through houston with a little extra space? interested in bootlegging? call me

Hedwig
02-08-2008, 02:05 PM
Unfortunately, Trader Joe's can't sell wine in Maryland. I've never understood why gas stations (with convenience stores) can sell beer and wine, but not grocery stores.

I've never had any Two Buck Chuck, but if I get a chance I want to try it. I do drink box wines sometimes.

wdspeedbump
02-08-2008, 02:24 PM
how about across the moat in virginia? is there a tj's there? my memory is fading, but i seem to remember being able to buy beer and wine at the grocery stores, like giant.

Hedwig
02-08-2008, 02:29 PM
There's one in Fairfax, and I'm sure some more. I used to work in VA, but now I'm closer to Columbia. Live in Frederick.

I may be in Virginia later this month, I'll have to try to find the place and try some.

Magdalen77
02-08-2008, 08:05 PM
i discovered this stuff when i was in oakland last year..i love it!
i'm not a snobby wine connossuer ..i drink what tastes good. and chuck hits the spot.
i brought home a couple bottles to share with dw. now we're trying to figure out how to get a few cases to houston ,tx. the nearest trader joe's is albuquerque :shock:
wrote 'em a nasty letter telling them that 4 million shoppers would like a store in houston. so far, nothing.
anybody on the west coast travelling through houston with a little extra space? interested in bootlegging? call me

We have Trader Joe's in Philly, but of course Pennsylvania is the home of the "state store". In other words the state is in charge of liquor (including wine) sales. So, TJ's here can't sell alcohol. I've never seen Two Buck Chuck in PA state stores. I suspect there's probably not a high enough profit margin. One good thing in PA we get these "Chairman's Choice wines" because PA is such a big buyer it can get great deals on some really good wines. Deals that nearby states can't compete with. Generally speaking, though, a $15 bottle of wine in PA is $7-8 in DE or NJ.

virtualrn
02-09-2008, 01:01 PM
2 buck chuck is actually blends of different wines bought from excess dredge surplus in Napa by Franzia-literally, bottom of the barrel:p....for curiousity's sake, buy some 2buck to get it out of your system and to feel good about saving a few bucks....then move on, you can actually buy some decent and interesting wines for a few bucks more.

wdspeedbump
02-09-2008, 01:36 PM
2 buck chuck is actually blends of different wines bought from excess dredge surplus in Napa by Franzia-literally, bottom of the barrel:p....for curiousity's sake, buy some 2buck to get it out of your system and to feel good about saving a few bucks....then move on, you can actually buy some decent and interesting wines for a few bucks more.

:ah:ah:ah: i'd like to see proof of that (probably false and misleading)statement. franzia has his own grapes, vints his own wines. why should he buy other's?

i've spent a small fortune on "quality" wines , just to spit them out because they tasted B A D. if i could readily aquire chuck wine , i'd be happy with that and save the "quality" wines for the effete snobs.

virtualrn
02-09-2008, 02:22 PM
Well to each their own-no need to be so defensive. People either love it or they don't. I don't....and actually, 2buck is bottled by Franzia and what you are drinking is the surplus he uses from his boxes.....you can find this historical data on Franzia's website.

virtualrn
02-09-2008, 03:46 PM
Oh and I will correct on the grapes Franzia uses-they are from the San Joaquin Valley(Stockton area) grape surplus but because Bronco/Franzia bottles out of Napa, 2 buck is allowed to use a Napa label. You are right, the info that you found misleading could be construed as such....

wdspeedbump
02-10-2008, 04:22 AM
first, i was speaking of the "dregs" statement. second, what's wrong with the san joaquin wines? some are quite good. napa isn't the only valley growing good wines. i have several from the livermore valley east of oakland that are just great.

and i personally love a couple of award -winners from llano estecado in texas. california isn't the only wine producing state. :D

admin
02-10-2008, 10:00 AM
Wine is a matter of taste, but personally, I'd rather not drink wine at all then drink 2 buck Chucks.

But don't get all upset, people, over this - even if it is wine. :P

wdspeedbump
02-10-2008, 08:00 PM
my apologies for my contentiousness. you've met me, christy, you know i'm too down to earth to tolerate snobbery over anything.:)++

someonesomewhere
02-11-2008, 10:47 AM
We have Trader Joe's in Philly, but of course Pennsylvania is the home of the "state store". In other words the state is in charge of liquor (including wine) sales.
That used to gaul me when I lived PA. Also no beer in the state stores--only wine and hard liquor.

For beer ya have to go to one of those beer/soda stores and get it by the case. You can't just go buy a 6-pack of beer--unless ya go into a restaurant and pay about twice the price for beer.

someonesomewhere
02-11-2008, 10:49 AM
I can't call myself a wine snob, but I do have a payment/comfort/quality algorithm that leads me to appreciate wine in the $5-$9 range. More $ is too expensive. Less is low quality. In between is my Goldilocks zone.

Magdalen77
02-13-2008, 03:42 PM
That used to gaul me when I lived PA. Also no beer in the state stores--only wine and hard liquor.

For beer ya have to go to one of those beer/soda stores and get it by the case. You can't just go buy a 6-pack of beer--unless ya go into a restaurant and pay about twice the price for beer.

That's why, at least down here in Philly, people drive to NJ or DE to buy their alcohol. It's much cheaper (with the exception of the "Chairman's Selections"). PA tries to combat that somewhat by offereing occasional real bargains on wine and liquor in the border areas.

HadEnough
02-14-2008, 06:49 AM
Wine Producers love Fred ; Many 2-Buck Chuck drinkers get curious about what wine really tastes like and once they taste good stuff and can tell the difference, they don't go back.

I got the scoop thanks to a USSD viticulture professor :'Fred' invested in wine grape futures @ $300. per ton (total crap grapes). When the phyloxra plague hit the industry they didn't have $300. per ton grapes & had to pay Fred's order with grapes worth much, much more. Fred processed these grapes and sold the wine at the same price as the $300./ton grape wine. Thus, he established a brand name that implies that you're getting more than you're buying. (Greed's a big factor in marketing.) This wine was only 40-50,000 cases & it ran out quickly. That's why people lost their taste for it after a period of time. Fred still releases a good case or two, to wine shows, ect.. In marketing this is called, 'bait & switch.'